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in terms of potential is generative AI already better than what “traditional artists” can do? if not how far off are we from that in your estimation?

@tyto4tme4l
Precisely, since the goal IS “anyone can illustrate this”, good quality is an added bonus, and the only “ trivial” problems are getting the people with things to say to realize that, and getting the target audience(s) to adjust their expectations for what “I have little artistic talent, but I do have passion to say something” LOOKS like visually.

This thread and/or site could contribute to both of those with some focused intent, but I have pushed “the ball” as far as I can think of how to do (at least for now), and I hope other people pick it up and run with it at least a bit further here.

@Background Pony #F22A
I would say there is no need to make up for crappy production values with AI-generated images, since it’s trivial to make good looking, generic pictures, while it takes a bit more effort to create something even amateurish-looking with additional elements added manually. It would be more effort for (arguably) worse result.

@Background Pony #F22A
Maybe people just don’t think of using a drawing program to add text to AI images, or asking it to caption things (does it do that well?)?

I agree it does sound like a good technique/process.

same here, pressing button is way easier than typing something creative in the comments so I leave comments only when I really feel it, like something is really cute or i laugh hard

prior to ai you would see a lot of poor photoshop/bad ms paint meme things that would make up for their crappy production values with wit and charm. there is very little of that with ai (at least on here) but why is that? it should be easier with the tools that let you doodle the composition no?

Like Felagund said a lot of posted images just doesn’t stand out in any way, and it obviously hard to find a words about something that ordinary. I think images with more creative, less usual situations or stories could get more attention and more comments.

Although it might not work for images that differs from other in negative way, like poorly generated or picturing things most people doesn’t like (extreme fetishes, etc).

A big part of art communities I’ve been in is based around sharing knowledge and critiquing. I’ve not been on tabtabus too much but 95% of the stuff that pops up in new is using a slightly modified default prompt and uploaded with little to no inpainting. There is no knowledge to learn from the people uploading that because they aren’t doing anything to make their gen different. Similarly critique is pointless since they don’t edit their gens anyway so why bother providing feedback. There are only a handful of people (truekry and siber you the real MVPs from what I’ve seen so far) that actually bother to put any effort into the things they are posting. I’m not sure there are enough competent AI users to get the ball rolling on the usual art community critique and share discussions.

@Star Streaker
FYI: I’m going to start including metadata info in my upload description. Also, you can access the metadata by cutting and pasting my images to:

@Felagund
I agree that repetitiveness of images is a non-trivial problem.

I think it also comes down to the kind of people in the community. The ones who are active participants of the community tend to dislike AI, and prefer not to be in such spaces. while a lot of the AI side is made up of lurkers or people who weren’t that involved in the furry community to begin with, so they just keep not commenting like they always did.

Part of it is the idea that everything is now “content” - to be consumed, and then discarded or forgotten. There are too many people who don’t bother commenting on things, because the stuff they’re looking at is all interchangeable in their mind.

And frankly, genAI is making this worse, as the individual touch is lost unless the prompter is very particular about what and how they’re prompting.

There are some people on this site whose images I can immediately recognize, because of a consistent look/feel/theme, and an awful lot of people generating and posting Trixie butts (for example) that don’t stand out in any way from dozens of Trixie butts posted before.

@Scarlet Ribbon
That makes sense.

@Thoryn
Personally, I strip my metadata because my workflows use a ton of custom stuff that people won’t have, and they’re pretty much completely unreadable to anyone that doesn’t have all my customs–and only barely readable even to me.

@Draco Dei
Sorry, I can’t speak for that site, and have no idea how their advertising works. I’ve just seen them telling people who upload AI Generated images there to come here.

@Background Pony #E516
As the objective, even when errors are involved (which they are not all the time when I post my vignettes) is turning their “bugs” into “features” it would SEEM to me someone would need to be very thin-skinned to take offense? Am I wrong about that?

@Nocturn
From what little I know about the split, the objection was mostly about the amount of yours the moderation team was having to put in to filter out very badly done AI art. If someone wanted to pay for an ad, why would they turn down the money? Do they garuntee their advertisers a certain PERCENTAGE of pages*map they can only have so many advertisers at one time?

*Mind you that might actually be a pretty morally upstanding way of preventing the problem of preventing part of the “increasoingly small slices of the same pie of user attention” that I heard contributes to the enshitification (spoilered for the official term including mild cussing) of YouTube, Facebook, etc.?

@Background Pony #CF65
The moderators there are asking people to move here if they upload any AI Generated images. But I don’t know if they would take an AI Generated advertisement.

@Star Streaker
I stand by my philosophy of sharing prompt info when people ask for it. I’ll gladly share any Text2Img info but the rest is really up to their discretion and know how. I started into Image Generation in the earlier days and info was hard to come by. and hated it so much because everyone was so obscure about their prompts and didn’t want to share anything. Not even models.

And ya im guilty of not commenting but i really just browse and upload here. But i do really appreciate the bros out there who comment on my stuff even if its just one or two words.

Someone with good art should advertise on Derpibooru

I’m in the same boat about not commenting much. I usually follow people who are further along in their workflows, so I don’t always feel like I have useful critique to add. A lot of the time I just like the result. My own process leans more on the AI’s RNG followed by cleaning it up, which has some mixed opinions here.

Also, the metadata isn’t always there to view. It gets lost when you run it through inpainting or editing in Krita or Photopea. Which makes the techniques seem opaque and hard to reverse engineer. I’d love to hear how others approach this. Are folks here open to sharing their processes?

I think that some people just don’t care. I wrote some about ghost signatures and most just keep chugging along. If I present something to the world I want it to be the best version it could be, so I don’t get it why people don’t fix obvious errors. And since text can’t convey my natural snark and sarcasm, I don’t write anything anymore, just edit the tags fitting the error.

@Draco Dei
It can be fun if it’s not meant to be “mean”.

(well, some people do deserve some “notice” about the things they’re not noticing… limbs merging and the like are hard to miss, and yet”

I have noticed this problem myself. It is a relief in a way to know that this is not some oddity specific to AI art, nor is the commenting likely ongoing on on some other site I was not aware of.
One trick I use to come up with comments is interpreting what is going on, especially in ways that explain the oddities/errors in the generation (or even intentional oddities such as anthropology characters casually interacting in Cthulthu-esque surroundings).

Do I need to explain specifics or can peoole look up my posts via my profile for details?

I thought it was because of the lack of actual users, the online censorship thats all happening at once, people be busy or like @thoryn said “I like this” is the comment, and a bunch of other factors. Its something we’re going to have to work on if as content creators want feedback or interaction with… well thats what I think.
Also, people just be busy.