I just wanna put this out there, but PonyXL LORAs can be used in illustrious checkpoints as theyโre both SDXL. Anthros or feral ponies wonโt turn out as good unless that illustrious checkpoint is specialized for the body type, though Iโve used it myself on human/eqg based characters and the image quality does seem to be generally improved compared to other PonyXL checkpoints.
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Creative Corner ยป Model and Lora (and related) Discussion ยป Post 20
Iโm actually in a hate/love relationship with Pony (SD XL) in general. In my honest opinion, SD 1.5 was so much better and generating detailed backgrounds. Thatโs why I, for quite a while actually, used both (like here). Back then I used Aniverse/Anitoon a lot in various versions and just used Pony to do the Characters.
But since it was a huge hassle and my pc crashed 50% of the time switching models one the go, I turned to PonyV6 full time. I used that an Autism for a while, got stuck on T-Ponynai3. It has this light โdirtynessโ of left in sketch lines. And it can produce so much more detailed background than PonyV6 in my opinion. Here is an example. The light roughness makes it look a little more hand drawn in my opinion. Pics not done, so that is that.
I only use Loras for human chars. Since most people generated are either muscled dudes or near anorexic big boobed girls, I need them to stray away from that. For ponies I use non at all.
Creative Corner ยป Model and Lora (and related) Discussion ยป Post 19
I tried out NoobAI-XL v-pred 1.0 yesterday, https://huggingface.co/Laxhar/noobai-XL-Vpred-1.0:
Wildcarded through a fair few combinations of artist styles when generating this image. Judging from that, it seems to have a better understanding of style and texture than the eps-pred version. It also seems to be slightly worse at fine detail, but that may just be a product of its better understanding of style. It needs further testing with artist tags that do highly detailed works to see if that is a limitation of the model.
Wildcarded through a fair few combinations of artist styles when generating this image. Judging from that, it seems to have a better understanding of style and texture than the eps-pred version. It also seems to be slightly worse at fine detail, but that may just be a product of its better understanding of style. It needs further testing with artist tags that do highly detailed works to see if that is a limitation of the model.
Creative Corner ยป Model and Lora (and related) Discussion ยป Post 18
Chroma slaps for anthro, and can do pony pretty well too
Creative Corner ยป Model and Lora (and related) Discussion ยป Post 17
@tyto4tme4l
SD 1.5 based EasyFluff is probably still the best model for very painterly styles, probably because it has a very good understanding of many traditional artists. However, being 1.5 based itโs a lot worse with anatomy and coherence in general, though significantly better than most 1.5 based models.
SD 1.5 based EasyFluff is probably still the best model for very painterly styles, probably because it has a very good understanding of many traditional artists. However, being 1.5 based itโs a lot worse with anatomy and coherence in general, though significantly better than most 1.5 based models.
Creative Corner ยป Model and Lora (and related) Discussion ยป Post 16
@๐ญ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐
I like the style. I donโt like the anatomy.
I like the style. I donโt like the anatomy.
Creative Corner ยป Model and Lora (and related) Discussion ยป Post 14
This is the same prompt and settings as the Illustrious picture, just in ZoinksNoobโฆ
Creative Corner ยป Model and Lora (and related) Discussion ยป Post 13
@tyto4tme4l
Yeah, Iโd read how to prompt Illustrious, and if itโs based on that, Iโd expect it to use more danbooru tag style prompting. As awful as that picture I posted was, the prompt was:
Yeah, Iโd read how to prompt Illustrious, and if itโs based on that, Iโd expect it to use more danbooru tag style prompting. As awful as that picture I posted was, the prompt was:
perfect quality, best quality, absolutely eye-catching, ambient occlusion, raytracing, masterpiece, fluttershy, pegasus pony, my little pony, sitting in a meadow, masterpiece, safe, furry, yellow fur, fur tufts, god rays, dynamic pose, detailed background, full body,
Negative: lowres, worst quality, bad quality, bad anatomy, sketch, jpeg artifacts, signature, watermark, artist name, old, oldest
Mostly me throwing in things from this article, admittedly:
https://civitai.com/articles/8380/tips-for-illustrious-xl-prompting-updates
https://civitai.com/articles/8380/tips-for-illustrious-xl-prompting-updates
In fact, I just ran the same prompt through ZoinksNoob, and it generated some fairly nice looking Fluttershy pictures.
Creative Corner ยป Model and Lora (and related) Discussion ยป Post 12
I heard that Illustrious XL is what ponyv7 is going to be on is that true?Also shoutou5 to autismmix/confetti and pinkiepiemix
Pony 7 is in training right now using Aura Flow.
Creative Corner ยป Model and Lora (and related) Discussion ยป Post 11
@tyto4tme4l
Technically, thereโs a new version available, but itโs based on v-pred NoobAI, which is still in training. If I understood correctly, the author plans to remake it once NoobAI finishes training.
Technically, thereโs a new version available, but itโs based on v-pred NoobAI, which is still in training. If I understood correctly, the author plans to remake it once NoobAI finishes training.
I only did some cursory testing on it and, ngl, it felt undercooked, whereas Zoinks just clicked with me instantly.
Creative Corner ยป Model and Lora (and related) Discussion ยป Post 10
@Lord Waite
Please keep in mind that for ZoinksNoob and other Noob-related models the prompting is a bit different than in Pony-based models. I use (masterpiece, best quality:1.2), absurdres, highres in the positive prompt and (normal quality, worst quality:1.2) in the negative with CFG 1.5-2.0 and Euler A as a sampler.
Please keep in mind that for ZoinksNoob and other Noob-related models the prompting is a bit different than in Pony-based models. I use (masterpiece, best quality:1.2), absurdres, highres in the positive prompt and (normal quality, worst quality:1.2) in the negative with CFG 1.5-2.0 and Euler A as a sampler.
Creative Corner ยป Model and Lora (and related) Discussion ยป Post 9
No problem on the clarification.
Iโll have to try out ZoinksNoob. Of course, I also have to remember to do stuff with autismmix. I download a million models then forget to do anything with themโฆ
I do remember EasyFluff. Havenโt used it in a long time.
Creative Corner ยป Model and Lora (and related) Discussion ยป Post 8
@๐ญ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐
Is it? I think itโs outdated now. If you want to use artist tags, then ZoinksNoob has them too.
Is it? I think itโs outdated now. If you want to use artist tags, then ZoinksNoob has them too.
Creative Corner ยป Model and Lora (and related) Discussion ยป Post 7
EasyFluff is worth a mention.
Creative Corner ยป Model and Lora (and related) Discussion ยป Post 6
I consider ZoinksNoob to be the best model for cartoon/anime right now, itโs like an upgrade of NoobAI-XL. Great aesthetics, especially with traditional art.
https://huggingface.co/zatochu/ZoinksNoob/tree/main
https://huggingface.co/zatochu/ZoinksNoob/tree/main
Creative Corner ยป Model and Lora (and related) Discussion ยป Post 5
@Lord Waite
thanks for the clarification!
thanks for the clarification!
Creative Corner ยป Model and Lora (and related) Discussion ยป Post 4
For reference, Illustrious XL trying to handle ponies:
Creative Corner ยป Model and Lora (and related) Discussion ยป Post 3
Iโve got a tendency not to use AI art generators that I canโt run locally, but I do remember Bing being good when I tried it previously.
As far as Pony v7 goes, thatโs being trained on a different model, AuraFlow.
https://civitai.com/articles/6309/towards-pony-diffusion-v7-going-with-the-flow
https://civitai.com/articles/6309/towards-pony-diffusion-v7-going-with-the-flow
Thereโs an interview from a few weeks ago here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pw1LwRUGY4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pw1LwRUGY4
Illustrious XL is more of a new XL based anime base model competing with pony. If you are generating anime/furry pictures, it might be interesting, and it seems to be big, but from what I remember, it didnโt do that well with ponies when I tried it, though I should give it another go. (SeaArt Furry XL can do ponies, IIRC.)
Creative Corner ยป Model and Lora (and related) Discussion ยป Post 2
I heard that Illustrious XL is what ponyv7 is going to be on is that true?
Also shoutou5 to autismmix/confetti and pinkiepiemix
Creative Corner ยป Model and Lora (and related) Discussion ยป Post 1
My go to has been Google Imagen 3.0
https://deepmind.google/technologies/imagen-3/
https://deepmind.google/technologies/imagen-3/
Itโs a text to image model similar to Bing and DALL-E. Rather than using Gemini, Iโve been making images via the NightCafe creator studio. This checkpoint is very good at making ponies and anthros, and has a pretty solid idea of what the majority of characters are supposed to look like.
There are some issues with secondary characters, however, but there is an odd quirk about it: if for, example, you ask for an image of Big Macintosh, it will give you a pony that looks nothing like Mac. However, if you ask for an image of Big Macintosh, and then describe what he looks like, it will give you an image thatโs pretty on point.
The checkpoint is also kind of weak when it comes to non-pony characters or creatures, such as Diamond Dogs, Buffalo, Griffons, and Yaks, and basically requires a bit more prompt tweaking to get them to come out close to the MLP style. However, it does have a good handle on Zebras and Dragons, and is able to fairly properly output images of those in the MLP style.
One other issue it has with creating anthros and some ponies is that sometimes simply describing their race (ie unicorn, pegasus, etc) isnโt enough, and will have a tendency to produce unicorns without horns or pegasi without wings, so you sometimes have to add in an additional prompt with things such as โglowing hornโ or โspread wingsโ or some other descriptor of unicorn or pegasi elements to get it to stick properly.
Creative Corner ยป Model and Lora (and related) Discussion ยป Topic Opener
Given this site is specifically for AI art, I feel like we should have a few threads for discussing things like prompts, and the models we use and such, and I felt models and loras deserved one (and embeddings, but it doesnโt seem like those get used as much any more).
So, what models and loras do you find yourself using often?
The obvious, of course, is Pony Diffusion v6 XL, and while there are a million spinoffs, Iโm still highly likely to use the original.
https://civitai.com/models/257749/pony-diffusion-v6-xl
https://civitai.com/models/257749/pony-diffusion-v6-xl
Iโve also been finding myself liking BlueFoxMix lately, and the style it gives pictures.
https://civitai.com/models/724196
https://civitai.com/models/724196
Lora-wise, I like the Pony Quality lora for making the score tags a little less necessary.
https://civitai.com/models/333358/ponydiffusion-quality-slider
https://civitai.com/models/333358/ponydiffusion-quality-slider
I also do rather like the Wholesome MLP Mix lora for style.
https://civitai.com/models/509312/wholesome-mlp-mix-pony-v6-xl
https://civitai.com/models/509312/wholesome-mlp-mix-pony-v6-xl
Of course, there are other, non-pony models I use. They may not be trained on ponies, but Flux and SD 3.5 Large can do text well. Flux is pretty good at actually following your prompt, and I think 3.5L edges it out style-size.
SeaArt Furry XL is a good general furry model, though itโs definitely one of these ones that relies on artist tags too much.
https://civitai.com/models/391781
https://civitai.com/models/391781
Illustrious XL has promise and has already become a new base, though not great for ponies.
https://civitai.com/models/795765
https://civitai.com/models/795765
NoobAI-XL is also looking good. I do need to explore these more.
https://civitai.com/models/833294/noobai-xl-nai-xl
https://civitai.com/models/833294/noobai-xl-nai-xl
But what loras and models do you like, and what things do you see that you like and dislike about them? (And, honestly, feel free to go into more detail on some of the ones I mentioned. I just wanted to throw out a few of the better ones to start things offโฆ)
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