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Creative Corner » Text-to-image prompting » Post 28

MareStare

Mare Zealot
@Zerowinger
The score_* tags are specific to Pony Diffusion. Their original idea was that you’d be able to write score_7_up tag only (just a single tag), and you’d get an image based on the dataset of images of quality 7 or higher.
However, the way this was implemented during training was wrong, and completely broken. The developers discovered this bug only in the middle of training, at which point fixing that bug would be too expensive (they’d need to restart training from scratch again, which would cost them potentially several tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars). So, they kept the bug, and made a guideline to include that lengthy score_9, score_8_up, ... etc. string at the start of the prompt to work around it.
There is more detail on this training fiasco in this article: https://civitai.com/articles/4248/what-is-score9-and-how-to-use-it-in-pony-diffusion

Creative Corner » Text-to-image prompting » Post 27

Zerowinger

3-3/4" Army Man Fan
So, I tried out Pony Diffusion on Civitai to some success, and part of the prompt was copy-pasting the score_x score_up prompts that I had seen elsewhere. However, I’m a little confused as to exactly how those prompts work, the whole text to image format is very different to the style I’m familiar with.
Could I get some insider info on just exactly how this format in Pony Diffusion and similar checkpoints works?

Creative Corner » ADetailer » Post 6

Creative Corner » ADetailer » Post 5

derp621

boop
why make a cutie mark-specific ADetailer LORA if the AI is going to keep messing up the cutie marks anyway?
It might be the case that part of the orignal prompt is what is messing up the cutiemark. In these situations ADetailer allows you to add a custom prompt and/or negative prompt to the cutiemark areas it detects

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Creative Corner » ADetailer » Post 4

Scarlet Ribbon

True Wildcard
@Sunny
Because if I’m going to generate stuff that’s ‘not good enough’ to do all the manual editing on, but still interesting enough to share with my friends, I’d rather it look better than worse.

Creative Corner » Pony Wildcards » Post 4

@Scarlet Ribbon
Nothing really, just anything that is specific to ponies/mlp/derpibooru, of anatomy, characters, copyrights, artists, etc. I am going to go through and do it myself for PDXL, I just figured I’d see if anyone had anything they thought was worth sharing.

Creative Corner » ADetailer » Post 3

@Sunny
With the Noob based models at least, it’ll get the cutie mark right some of the time, and if it gets it wrong, then ‘detailing’ it (masked inpainting) will usually get it right after a few tries if it understands the character. For more obscure characters this doesn’t work. For example, with >>34015 I had to manually edit the cutie mark in and then masked inpaint it a few times to blend it in.

Creative Corner » Pony Wildcards » Post 3

Scarlet Ribbon

True Wildcard
@FoalFucker
What specifically are you looking for? I have extremely extensive wild card stuff, but it is primarily smut oriented and it is also a convoluted mess that is designed to work with a specific workflow that I maintain.
Almost everything with my prompter tag on this entire site uses that workflow.
Still, if you have specific things you’re seeking, I can probably fish out something more generically useful.

Creative Corner » Text-to-image prompting » Post 26

Scarlet Ribbon

True Wildcard
@Thoryn
I have the same GPU. I can generate a 1024x1024 image in Comfy UI in less than 15 seconds. I don’t know what was up with automatic1111, but I was getting similarly glacial performance on it.
Strongly recommend you just get rid of it and learn a different front end.

Creative Corner » ADetailer » Post 2

I don’t really see the point of an ‘ADetailer’ for cutie marks when you could just use an editing app to add the correct cutie mark manually. I get the idea of using an ADetailer for things like making horse pussy more correct / accurate, but why make a cutie mark-specific ADetailer LORA if the AI is going to keep messing up the cutie marks anyway? I can understand the usefulness of using an ‘ADetailer’ for cutie marks in 3D images, but it doesn’t seem as necessary for 2D ones.

Creative Corner » ADetailer » Post 1

@derp621
I do the same process as adetailer a lot, except for the automatic masking. The models themselves don’t actually change anything, they just automatically mask areas, which is then used for low-denoise only-masked inpainting.

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Creative Corner » Text-to-image prompting » Post 25

tyto4tme4l

Something of an artist
@MareStare
Great idea! Img2img and inpainting are invaluable tools and it would be useful to describe them in detail. Things like denoising strength and the difference between “Whole picture” vs “Only masked” for the inpaint area are extremely important here.

Creative Corner » Text-to-image prompting » Post 24

MareStare

Mare Zealot
@Thoryn
I used Photoshop for drawing the scribbles, and then moved the images to Forge UI for inpainting. I’m planning to describe some of my learnings and creative process in a shared guide website. I’ll post about it on tantabus discord and create a forum thread on tantabus when it’s more-or-less ready. I’d like to collect all the tips and tricks and organize them on a convenient medium for beginners study.

Creative Corner » Text-to-image prompting » Post 23

Thoryn

Latter Liaison
@MareStare
Really cool to see WIP steps like this and have them explained.
And your sketching abilities are way ahead of mine. :p
What program do you use for SD?
Do you handle all the painting in it, or do it elsewhere and move it over to SD?

Creative Corner » Text-to-image prompting » Post 22

MareStare

Mare Zealot
Getting the composition as you want may be too big of a work for text2img. I recommend you to try inpainting with a colored scribble (coloring is important to make AI get the colors right).
For example, this is how I got Fluttershy inplanted into the scenery of this image:
Yeah, you can tell my drawing skills aren’t that good, but Zoinksnoob nailed Flutty almost immediately after I pasted it there and inpainted that area with a denoising strength of something like 0.7+. Sometimes it takes several iterations of drawing a scribble, then letting inpainting improve the detail, and then improve that more detailed version with some lighter scribble to get things exactly as you want.

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Creative Corner » Text-to-image prompting » Post 21

Thoryn

Latter Liaison
@Sunny
Yes, tried 3 or 4 of classroom LoRAs, and played around adjusting LoRA weights and prompts with them.
Typical problems I had with them, would be thatit insisted on the pony being at the very forefront / focus of the image and taking up half the image, very stretchy pony bodies, wrong size in relation to the room, messed up wall corners and such, pony bodies morphing into the desks, getting desks to look coherent (size, legs, also problem morphing into each other)
It can probably be fixed with extensive inpainting or something, but I should be able to get decent results with just prompting correctly, even without using LoRAs. (Most of my time on this has been spent without them, and I’ve gotten some half-decent results.)
Thinking I should probably look into ControlNet, but am uncertain if it will detect and adjust equine poses correctly.

Creative Corner » Text-to-image prompting » Post 20

Creative Corner » Text-to-image prompting » Post 19

Thoryn

Latter Liaison
Spent hours doing a classroom scene, without even getting the room to where I was satisfied with it, let alone the pony and the pose and interaction within the room.
The tips I received earlier with describing the room in greater detail (floor, ceiling, walls, wall decor, windows..) has proven to be an invaluable advice, but it’s often not enough, at least not the way I’ve done it.
Then after some (ok, many..) hours of fiddling with that, I decided to do another idea I had, which would focus mainly on a basic flank pose and the tail. For a change of scenery, I plopped down a single line describing a bedroom just to have something other than a classroom going on in the image, and it created lots of beautiful bedroom images. (Getting the tail to how I want it seems to be more difficult in this instance compared to the rather basic pose I tried in the classroom scene though.)
Long story short, prompting difficulty can vary greatly just by what location you try to prompt for. Bedrooms, at first glance for me at least, seem to be on the easier side. My main issues with them though, is that the bed is often malformed, and the size isn’t correct ratio to the character.

Creative Corner » Pony Wildcards » Post 2

Creative Corner » Pony Wildcards » Post 1

Well, I had this sitting around on my hard drive as ‘pony.json’, but I’m pretty sure it’s something I threw together one day and forgot about…
{
    "pony": {
        "header": {
            "score": [
                "score_9, score_8_up, score_7_up, score_6_up, score_5_up, score_4_up"
            ],
            "pony_sfw": [
                "__pony/header/score__, rating_safe, source_pony"
            ],
            "pony_questionable": [
                "__pony/header/score__, rating_questionable, source_pony"
            ],
            "pony_explicit": [
                "__pony/header/score__, rating_explicit, source_pony"
            ],
            "furry_sfw": [
                "__pony/header/score__, rating_safe, source_furry"
            ],
            "furry_questionable": [
                "__pony/header/score__, rating_questionable, source_furry"
            ],
            "furry_explicit": [
                "__pony/header/score__, rating_explicit, source_furry"
            ],
            "anime_sfw": [
                "__pony/header/score__, rating_safe, source_anime"
            ],
            "anime_questionable": [
                "__pony/header/score__, rating_questionable, source_anime"
            ],
            "anime_explicit": [
                "__pony/header/score__, rating_explicit, source_anime"
            ],
            "cartoon_sfw": [
                "__pony/header/score__, rating_safe, source_cartoon"
            ],
            "cartoon_questionable": [
                "__pony/header/score__, rating_questionable, source_cartoon"
            ],
            "cartoon_explicit": [
                "__pony/header/score__, rating_explicit, source_cartoon"
            ]
        },
        "cmc": [
            "Scootaloo",
            "Sweetie Belle",
            "Apple Bloom",
            "Babs Seed",
            "Gabby"
        ],
        "untrained": {
            "filly": [
                "Zipporwhill",
                "Dinky Doo",
                "Peachy Pie",
                "Sunny Daze",
                "Wind Sprint",
                "Lily Longsocks",
                "filly scout Tag-A-Long",
                "Ruby Pinch",
                "Snowdrop",
                "Nyx"
            ],
            "colt": [
                "Featherweight",
                "Pipsqueak",
                "Snails",
                "Shady Daze",
                "Tender Taps"
            ],
            "mare": [
                "Fleetfoot",
                "Auntie Lofty",
                "Aunty Holiday",
                "Cloud Chaser",
                "Cloud Kicker",
                "Daisy",
                "Flitter",
                "Blossomforth",
                "Raindrops",
                "Twinkleshine",
                "Suri Polomare",
                "Upper Crust",
                "Potion Nova",
                "Jazz Hooves"
    
            ],
            "stallion": [
                "{Flim|Flam}",
                "Argyle Starshine",
                "Bulk Biceps",
                "Caramel",
                "Carrot Cake",
                "Doctor Caballeron",
                "Doctor Hooves",
                "Double Diamond",
                "Filthy Rich",
                "Prince Blueblood",
                "{Fancy Pants|Fancypants}",
                "Gladmane",
                "Hoity Toity",
                "Hondo Flanks",
                "Jet Set",
                "Mudbriar",
                "Bow Hothoof",
                "Trenderhoof",
                "Troubleshoes",
                "{Star Swirl|Starswirl} the Bearded",
                "Zesty Gourmand"
            ]
        },
        "filly": [
            "Scootaloo",
            "Sweetie Belle",
            "Apple Bloom",
            "Babs Seed",
            "Silver Spoon",
            "Diamond Tiara",
            "Cozy Glow",
            "Flurry Heart",
            "Twist",
            "{|Princess }Woona"

        ],
        "colt": [
            "Sandbar",
            "Snips",
            "Button Mash",
            "Rumble"
        ],
        "mane_six": [
            "Applejack",
            "Twilight Sparkle",
            "Pinkie Pie",
            "Rarity",
            "Fluttershy",
            "Rainbow Dash"
        ],
        "mare": [
            "{Bonbon|Sweetie Drops}",
            "Minuette",
            "Derpy{| Doo| Hooves}",
            "{Vinyl Scratch",
            "Octavia Melody",
            "{Golden Harvest|Carrot Top}",
            "{The Great and Powerful Trixie|Trixie Lulamoon",
            "{Aloe Vera|Lotus Blossom} spa",
            "Amethyst Star",
            "Applejack",
            "Berry Punch",
            "Cheerilee",
            "Cherry Berry (yellow mane)",
            "Coco Pommel",
            "Cookie Crumbles",
            "Cup Cake",
            "Lily Valley",
            "{Fleur de Lis|Fleur Dis Lee}",
            "Fluttershy",
            "Granny Smith",
            "Izzy Moonbow",
            "Lemon Hearts",
            "Lightning Dust",
            "Limestone Pie",
            "Marble Pie",
            "Maud Pie",
            "Lyra Heartstrings",
            "Mayor Mare",
            "Misty Brightdawn",
            "Moondancer",
            "Ms. Harshwhinny",
            "Ms. Peachbottom",
            "Night Glider",
            "Nurse Redheart",
            "Opaline Arcana",
            "Pear Butter",
            "Phyllis Cloverleaf",
            "Pinkie Pie",
            "Pipp Petals",
            "Posey Bloom",
            "Princess {Cadence|Cadance}",
            "Princess Celestia",
            "{Princess |}{Luna|Woona}",
            "Queen Chrysalis",
            "Queen Haven",
            "Rainbow Dash",
            "Rarity",
            "Roseluck",
            "Saffron Masala",
            "Sapphire Shores",
            "Sassy Saddles",
            "Somnambula",
            "Spitfire",
            "Spoiled Rich",
            "Starlight Glimmer",
            "Sugar Belle",
            "Sunny Starscout",
            "Sunset Shimmer",
            "Tempest Shadow",
            "Tree Hugger",
            "{Princess |}Twilight Sparkle",
            "Twilight Velvet",
            "Windy Whistles",
            "Zipp Storm",
            "Creamy Heart"

        ],
        "stallion": [
            "Big Macintosh",
            "Alphabittle Blossomforth",
            "Braeburn",
            "Bright Mac",
            "Cheese Sandwich",
            "Flash Sentry",
            "Hitch Trailblazer",
            "King Sombra",
            "Night Light",
            "Shining Armor",
            "Soarin",
            "Sprout Cloverleaf",
            "Sunburst",
            "Thunderlane",
            "Zephyr Breeze"

        ],
        "princess": [
            "Princess Celestia",
            "{Princess |}{Luna|Woona}",
            "Princess {Cadence|Cadance}",
            "Princess Twilight Sparkle",
            "Princess Flurry Heart",
            "{|Princess }Pipp Petals",
            "{|Princess }Zipp Storm"
        ]
    }
}
Edit: Noticed “quick” was in some spots where it shouldn’t have been, so I took that out.

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