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Now I am against any restrictions, since the road to DB is closed
Now I am against any restrictions, since the road to DB is closed
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 143
@Background Pony #B2FD
It doesn’t matter what you disagree with there, I don’t care who steals what, even partially. I am for freedom of creativity, especially since part of the AI content now has a separate website. Here we are simply talking about “Damage to their business, or reputation” It even sounds disgusting, considering the big words they use to cover up this shit. It’s all stupidly about money, moderators are protecting artists, and we’re just going to pretend that everything is fine? I will show the middle finger to everyone who tells me what I should do.
It doesn’t matter what you disagree with there, I don’t care who steals what, even partially. I am for freedom of creativity, especially since part of the AI content now has a separate website. Here we are simply talking about “Damage to their business, or reputation” It even sounds disgusting, considering the big words they use to cover up this shit. It’s all stupidly about money, moderators are protecting artists, and we’re just going to pretend that everything is fine? I will show the middle finger to everyone who tells me what I should do.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 142
Background Pony #B2FD
In regards to Rule #1, ie. “style copying”So, the artists have already kicked us out of DB with their whining. And now we will have restrictions here too?! Well, that’s too much.
I disagree. If you look at how this rule is laid out, it specifically targets uses that would be either malicious or directly harmful to the artist by creating potential for confusion and impersonation.
This is already WAY more lenient than how it was on DB, where style emulation of any kind (even subtle or unintentional) was strictly forbidden when using AI (but somehow perfectly fine when a human artist does it).
Being a separate website from DB means we no longer need to appeal to the vocal minority of artists who constantly whine about “AI theft”, but that doesn’t mean we should tolerate genuinely harmful activities on this site, as there are many (even among the AI community) who would be uncomfortable with that.
This is already WAY more lenient than how it was on DB, where style emulation of any kind (even subtle or unintentional) was strictly forbidden when using AI (but somehow perfectly fine when a human artist does it).
Being a separate website from DB means we no longer need to appeal to the vocal minority of artists who constantly whine about “AI theft”, but that doesn’t mean we should tolerate genuinely harmful activities on this site, as there are many (even among the AI community) who would be uncomfortable with that.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 141
I believe that Tantabus should be as free as possible in expression, but with strict quality control
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 140
In regards to Rule #1, ie. “style copying”
So, the artists have already kicked us out of DB with their whining. And now we will have restrictions here too?! Well, that’s too much.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 139
- We may delete images that unabashedly mimic existing artists if these appear to be harmful to their business or reputation
- eg. claiming to be the artist to take up commissions or merch sales
- or using the artist’s style to create images of a contentious theme, or one the artist is known to be against
- Images looking “kind of in the style of” or “giving the vibe of” are not a concern
- We (still) do not care about what prompts, models, LORAs, workflows, brushes, or whatever tools used
That’s a relief!
In terms of tags it should go like “artist:(used style)”?
Literally the opposite of the entire point! Tagging art as using a style and reporting it as using a style are both incredibly subjective and bad. Reporting gives mods headaches, and tagging misleads viewers. If it helps, think of this without AI in mind. Would you ever tag someone’s drawn art as being in the style of another artist? No, that would be strange and rude… Except in those cases where that was the entire intent of the art, of course. So tags for JoJo style and such are fine. The amount of PokeHidden style images I’ve seen by various artists also makes me think that would be a safe exception to tag. Styles even when named after artists, are never owned by that artist. Copying styles is incredibly common and normal. So I only see reason to tag a style being in cases where it is a distinctive and common style like the two example above. (Though “distinctive and common” is a bit subjective, I can’t think of how else to word it.)
At least, that’s where I’d draw the line on style tags. To just use the same ruling as we’d use on a non-AI site. So like tagging attempts to look like the art is from a specific game or show.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 138
@Scarlet Ribbon
For specifying, there is the description; alternatively the comment section.
For specifying, there is the description; alternatively the comment section.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 137
@Background Pony #04CD
General rule of thumb is you should avoid it…
General rule of thumb is you should avoid it…
Subjectively, it’s one thing to go “damn, this artist vanished before this character was introduced, would love to see them in their style”, and another to just use one existing style and never move on…
Rules-wise it continuously runs the risk of “artist X draws Y content, and they just released a Y content folio that has images just like these ones someone’s generating”. Even if unintentional, it veers into a shitty area. And mods get pulled into shitty areas, and nobody, not us and not you, want that; we’d like to be as hands off as possible without inviting pitchfork mobs and lawyers to rally at our gates.
As for tagging them… don’t. I’ve already witnessed way too many discussions where someone says “This looks exactly like X’s work” and loads of people agreeing only for it to not only not look remotely similar, but not even used anywhere in the workflow, and just built up from some guy’s overspecific focus on belly buttons or something utterly coincidental. Would be a whole lot of bad calls and effectively tag vandalism/vigilantism going around.
Also, fixing up a unique “your style” is actually fun, and makes your work look unique and identifiable as yours.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 136
Background Pony #B2FD
@Background Pony #04CD
“artist:(used style)” would be a terrible idea. It would cause the exact kind of confusion we need to avoid.
“artist:(used style)” would be a terrible idea. It would cause the exact kind of confusion we need to avoid.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 135
@Background Pony #04CD
I don’t like the idea of tagging artist:(used style) for style emulation. That creates confusion that an artist might have made a work. I think “Style Emulation” as a tag would probably be the ideal, and maybe “Emulation:(artist)” if we absolutely feel the need to specify.
I don’t like the idea of tagging artist:(used style) for style emulation. That creates confusion that an artist might have made a work. I think “Style Emulation” as a tag would probably be the ideal, and maybe “Emulation:(artist)” if we absolutely feel the need to specify.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 134
Background Pony #04CD
@Admin
Soo am I reading this right
We can copy styles as long as they not for sale and we properly credit tag them right?
Contentious theme is understandable
Sounds good to me
Soo am I reading this right
We can copy styles as long as they not for sale and we properly credit tag them right?
Contentious theme is understandable
Sounds good to me
In terms of tags it should go like “artist:(used style)” and “prompter:(prompter himself)”?
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 133
Merry Christmas.
And also, rules update for issues several have voiced concern about:
Rule #9, for image quality, has been amended to be less strict.
- Short of an image looking like a late-state Picasso painting from the thumbnail itself, staff only expect the issues to be properly tagged
- Images of exceptionally poor quality or with absurd errors may still be removed. The tech is well past the point where errors like >>2964 are “OK”
- If you’re going for Thingpone or some sort of nightmare fuel, that’s understandable, but passing random failed generations as “I’m just channeling my inner Dali” isn’t
- Tag Guidelines page has been updated, and relevant tags created and flagged as “important”
- An additional default filter has been set up that spoilers these sort of common quality issues
- This isn’t really meant as a common use filter, but is a convenience for anyone wanting to copy them to their own filters
In regards to Rule #1, ie. “style copying”
- Text hasn’t changed since last revision, but policy has been clarified within staff (holidays etc.); apologies to anyone affected in the meanwhile
- We may delete images that unabashedly mimic existing artists if these appear to be harmful to their business or reputation
- eg. claiming to be the artist to take up commissions or merch sales
- or using the artist’s style to create images of a contentious theme, or one the artist is known to be against
- Images looking “kind of in the style of” or “giving the vibe of” are not a concern
- We (still) do not care about what prompts, models, LORAs, workflows, brushes, or whatever tools used
Some of the text in the AI Quality page will need updating, but bear with us as that might take some time. As well, we’re aware that there are bits and bobs here still missing or looking funny; we’ll work on sorting things out as soon as possible.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 132
Tag your images with a prompter tag if it doesnt have it yet, and then request a user link which can be found on your profile.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 131
@Admin
That’s fair enough about the name. I still think the addition of
That’s fair enough about the name. I still think the addition of
booru would be good, since it is very recognisiable and people know what a booru is.Just a minor issue, but would it be possible to get images I have previously uploaded, added to the My Uploads tab? It’d be nice to see everything that originally came from me on here.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 130
Background Pony #9ED6
Misc. issues with various site info pages:
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- Rules in the report reason dropdown menu don’t match the site rules
@Background Pony #9ED6
Thanks!
Report reason dropdown still needs updating:
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 129
@Button Fixer
There is no plan to import non-AI images; this places’ focus should be, well focused on AI.
There is no plan to import non-AI images; this places’ focus should be, well focused on AI.
That said there is a planned feature down the line that could make life easier on that front.
As for the name, I chose tantabus because I really liked its design, it gave us Nightmare Moon, and it’s a play off how every other AI related site really goes full ham with “dream this” and “dream that”. I’d really rather avoid “sweetie” in the name as that’s a CMC character, and while Sweetie Bot is popular in much of the fandom, she’s still a minor, so the implications on site purpose from that are… not great.
If there’s some big clamor for a name change we might look into it, maybe to coincide with a big feature update or something, but honestly I’d rather not.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 128
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@Button Fixer
I’m pretty sure the other altboorus already mirror both new uploads to here and Derpi. The real question is whether you can tolerate the active users or the crickets elsewhere.
I’m pretty sure the other altboorus already mirror both new uploads to here and Derpi. The real question is whether you can tolerate the active users or the crickets elsewhere.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 127
Hey just a thought. Is it possible to import all the non AI art from Derpi onto here as well, and have it so that all new uploads on Derpi are immediately imported to here as well like the other Altboorus do?
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Putting on a User hat rather than an Artist hat, I can’t really see myself using two different websites for pony content. If everything was available here in one place, then It would be insanely convenient (like Derpi was until two weeks ago). If you had all the content here, then I could see the site becoming more popular than Derpibooru over time.
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I don’t know what your hosting resources are like, but if it’s possible it would be great to see. Considering there is currently no limit to the number of uploads people can post, there must be considerable resources behind it.
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I also think that Tantabus.ai is not a good name, considering a Tantabus is a soul sucking horror. It feels like someone who doesn’t like AI came up with it. I think Sweetiebottru.ai or Sweetiebooru.ai would be a much better name.
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Anyway I appreciate the effort you’re putting in.
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Putting on a User hat rather than an Artist hat, I can’t really see myself using two different websites for pony content. If everything was available here in one place, then It would be insanely convenient (like Derpi was until two weeks ago). If you had all the content here, then I could see the site becoming more popular than Derpibooru over time.
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I don’t know what your hosting resources are like, but if it’s possible it would be great to see. Considering there is currently no limit to the number of uploads people can post, there must be considerable resources behind it.
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I also think that Tantabus.ai is not a good name, considering a Tantabus is a soul sucking horror. It feels like someone who doesn’t like AI came up with it. I think Sweetiebottru.ai or Sweetiebooru.ai would be a much better name.
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Anyway I appreciate the effort you’re putting in.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 126
@Adorable Blue Fox
doing the Lords work here!
doing the Lords work here!
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 125
Background Pony #B191
@Admin
First, thanks for putting in the time and effort to build out the site and reaching out to the community for feedback. Both are really big tasks and I just want to show some appreciation for it. I think given the circumstances this site is the only workable solution to the AI art issue for a community like ours, but it’s still a lot of work.
First, thanks for putting in the time and effort to build out the site and reaching out to the community for feedback. Both are really big tasks and I just want to show some appreciation for it. I think given the circumstances this site is the only workable solution to the AI art issue for a community like ours, but it’s still a lot of work.
I have a question about the future of “machine learning abomination” images. According to a plain reading of the quality guidelines it seems stuff like that isn’t going to be accepted and would probably be removed, but on the other hand some of it is hilarious (example). Would this be something decided on a case-by-case basis as long as it’s properly tagged at submission? Like, if it’s so obvious that someone isn’t trying to sneak in a poor piece as a good one?
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 124
@Admin
That tag list seems about right. I would want to see clear descriptions for each tag explaining when they do and don’t apply (presumably each is meant to relate to some section of the quality guidelines) as otherwise things like “bad details” are very vague, but aside from that I don’t see anything concerning.
That tag list seems about right. I would want to see clear descriptions for each tag explaining when they do and don’t apply (presumably each is meant to relate to some section of the quality guidelines) as otherwise things like “bad details” are very vague, but aside from that I don’t see anything concerning.
The lowest scoring image on the site is currently at -10, so the score threshold should probably be higher for now. I also think it might make sense to have exceptions for
grimdark and grotesque images, since a low score for those can mean they’re actually high quality (and thus succeed in being upsetting/disgusting). Maybe have (score.lte:-5, -grimdark, -grotesque)?Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 123
@Background Pony #9ED6
The “Verified” status and tag limit are currently separate. One of the devs has been poked about making them dependent.
The “Verified” status and tag limit are currently separate. One of the devs has been poked about making them dependent.
Would a list like this make sense for “tags we care about”, along with an additional “Quality” default filter that includes these (plus, say,
score.lte:-25)?ghost signature
obtrusive watermark
bad hands -> bad anatomy
deformed limbs -> bad anatomy
merging body -> bad anatomy
bad face -> bad anatomy
bad bg character
bad details
bad background
bad text
Separately, I was prodded elsewhere by someone “asking” why we ban style LORAs; I don’t know where this comes from but the term “LORA” isn’t even anywhere in our rules, and the rules (as amended recently based on, you know, people actually talking with us) and FAQ are fairly clear that we only really care about impersonation; as in, genning an image in the style of Artist Bob in order to take commissions as Bob, or creating “contentious stuff” that others might think Bob made themselves and would affect their reputation.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 122
Does the dump include tag metadata like categories, descriptions, implications, and aliases?
Yes, it does. It also includes the tag changes.
I’ve already exported the difference between derpibooru and tantabus, which can be found here. However, this isn’t an import tool, just a list.
If the admins/mods want, I could also have that option in the import tool. I have the script ready already because I imported all the tags to my dev environment for testing, which has all the categories, descriptions, implications, aliases, and a few others. I just need to modify it to search for existing tags and update them.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 121
Background Pony #9ED6
Tagging (and filtering by it) would be good, but I’m not sure there’s the bandwidth for that; as in, uploaders probably wouldn’t tag their own stuff with “negative tags”, so there’d need to be a fair number of active users going around curating each image. It would be an additional workload, albeit distributed on more people that just mods, and avoid “unnecessary deletions”, but could also fail if there aren’t enough people going at it.
The bandwidth will be demanded in any circumstance; uploaders will be expected to notice aberrant qualities and either refrain from posting, or tag them, and because people are imperfect, users will thereafter be expected to notice them and either report or fix missing tags. There are tradeoffs in the differences between the workloads - it’s more work for uploaders and users to notice and identify all of the specific abnormalities to tag each of them in a useful way, vs. more work for moderators to review and take action on any image that would need deletion. In either case, there would also be roughly equal moderation workload to hand out repercussions to uploaders who routinely break the rules, whether the rule is to tag or to refrain from posting.
Annalee: I wonder though if that limit could be controlled with the same switch that says whether your uploads go into the approval queue or not? I’ll ask staff.Update: This is possible, but will take some work to achieve. Sorry for the inconvenience in the meantime.BigBuggyBastage: Seems like the easy solution would be to maintain the tagging limit on anonymous/BgP users, and substantially increase it for registered users (or at least those who’ve been around for a while).Annalee: I think that might be how we head - just like what currently happens for people uploading images.
As far as I know, that is in fact already the way philomena works: “verified” accounts are not subject to the tag change limits, while logged-out and “unverified” accounts are. Account verification is performed by moderators by hand, intended to be based only on the user’s record of good behavior on the site, not any kind of “verification” of identity like the word often means on other social media. The site is supposed to automatically alert moderators about accounts who have uploaded their 5th approved image to be reviewed for verification. That’s the exact same state as for being exempt from the approval queue.
There’s also a special permission for especially trusted accounts to be exempt from the 5-second interval between tag changes - I have that over on Derpibooru. Haven’t registered here yet, though.
I just looked at the nightly dump […]
Does the dump include tag metadata like categories, descriptions, implications, and aliases? While certainly there is a lot in there that’s totally irrelevant here (like artist tags and their aliases) there is also a LOT lot that still would be, like shipping tags and characters. There’s an open invitation to figure out a tool to import tag configurations.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 120
Heyas; huge thanks for working on this! Once you’re happy with the code one of the more technically minded mods will have a look into getting it working.
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