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Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 19

Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 18

So how about for AI composition images? There’s a large degree of intentionality in the changes involved in those images that clearly result in a fully realised vision that was being worked towards from the initial generation (or perhaps even before that). Is such a process not deserving of being called a form of art itself? Would you say that with everything I- for example- have made, I’m only an editor and could not be considered an artist in any fashion?
The AI composition tag on Derpibooru asks that the editor tag be used instead of the artist tag, and I don’t think it should, at the very least not here.

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Tagging Discussion » derpibooru exclusive should be aliased » Post 1

Why would it, that tag implied that things were exclusively uploaded on Derpi, it wouldn’t make sense to alias existing instances of that tag. It would make sense though to have a new tantabus exclusive tag for people who solely upload their AI art here though, depending on how useful of information that is (might not be that important really).

Tagging Discussion » General Tag Discussion » Post 2

Background Pony #FFEE
Will subsequent tag changes made on Derpibooru get synced to the posts that had already been imported? Goodness knows I spend enough time cleaning things up and tagging the oft-forgotten basics, I’d hate to have to do it twice.

Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 16

@Delly
Weird, last time I checked you can be an artist the moment your pencil touches the paper without “years of mastery”. Guess you don’t think very highly of most artists. Imagine telling all the people on Derpi who have only been drawing for a few months “yeah you don’t have countless years of mastery so uhhh you don’t get an artist tag”, just insane lol.
Also I find it amusing that people’s standards are essentially requiring 10+ years of AI art experience on their resume to apply to the “artist” job when this sort of generative AI has only been a thing for 2-3 years now.
@Heat Sink
Appeal to popularity is not a valid argument.
@Annalee
Correct, that rule is outdated and carried over from Derpi and should be removed which kills two birds with one stone. The only reason that rule existed was a “peaceful coexistence” compromise with having both types of artists on the same site. This is a site for AI art specifically now though so caring about what existing digital artists think is no longer a concern as they will not be uploading here anyways.
@Teaspoon
Well I do think they deserve that title because that’s technically what art is. I never claimed it was good art, it’s dogshit art. A lot of art on Derpi is dogshit too though if you haven’t noticed, but that’s ok because learning is a slow process.
Derpi always has been more of an art collective and not a “curated art” site with a quality bar like something such as e621 is, so literally anyone who scribbles on a piece of paper is considered an artist with just as much effort as it takes to generate a low quality image via AI.
Anyways to me that seems like something solvable by just providing upload limitations to discourage quantity over quality at least to have some bare minimum standards in what is being produced. Not really the end of the world and not really an argument against why people using AI aren’t artists.

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Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 15

Zerowinger

3-3/4" Army Man Fan
@Lord Waite
So the contest is based on the output quantity, not the quality or popularity? (Daily theme contests on NightCafe are based on popular vote, with only one submission per person)

Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 14

@Teaspoon
Probably worth noting that civitai is running daily contests right now that give you 400 of their on-site currency, buzz, if you submit 20 images using the lora provided. It’s very much encouraging people to spam out 20 low quality images a day.

Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 13

Teaspoon

poni
All that considered I think I still lean more towards “artist” than “creator”, but either is better than “prompter” which might as well be an insult in a place like this.
I don’t know if you have, but I’d suggest perusing civitAI; there are accounts with 12k images made in just a few months, practically 90% of their images are definitely horrible. I’d certainly not think anyone slapping in 12 words (optimistically) into the prompt box, not changing default settings, and hitting “Generate Forever” to churn out 250 images in an hour and do no editing or curation at all on them deserves to be called an artist.
Purely outside of the pedantry of what is and isn’t “art”, it’d be an organizational nightmare to separate out the people that do put some work and effort into their creations.

Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 12

Nocturn

Moderator
Adjutant
@Delly
also, on this site, the term artist has a specific meaning under rule #1: it’s for people who make original works that are copyright-protected. calling prompters “artists” could make things confusing and mess with how that rule applies.

Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 11

Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 10

Delly

Administrator
Certified Blueberry
Comparing traditional artistry with prompting is offending everyone, who has spend countless years mastering the art of drawing.
The two are nowhere near on the same level, or at least the kind of prompting that this site is intended for isn’t (As actual art with only some smaller parts being done by AI is still welcome on Derpibooru)
Therefore, the prefix will not be changing. Learn to actually draw if you want to be an artist.

Tagging Discussion » "Generator:" tags should not imply "ai generated" » Topic Opener

tyto4tme4l

Something of an artist
Since “ai composition” is a thing now, tags like “generator:zoinksnoob” should not imply “ai generated” IMO.
BTW: I feel like this “generator” term is pretty vague, I would prefer something like “model” or “checkpoint” instead.

Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 9

I agree, creating art makes you an artist, and the act of guiding an AI to refine an image into something that matches your vision is the same creative process to any other artform.
Just because it’s “easy” to prompt things by comparison to the tedium of drawn digital art does not mean you’re not an artist, and saying otherwise is just a narrative the anti-AI crowd has spun to diminish people’s work and disrespect the AI artists. It’d be like saying digital artists aren’t artists because it’s a far easier process than that of traditional artwork on canvas with oil paints (no undo, no layering, no fancy effects or infinite brush shapes). This is especially true for more involved AI artwork where inpainting and other touchups are done in post via Photoshop or whatever, it’s hardly solely just “prompting” in that instance.
Course I can somewhat understand concerns over tagging confusion and etc, and to be fair also other areas of art have their own terms, e.g. photographer, cinematographer, game developer, but they all are under the “artist” umbrella if you want a general term. No (non-disparaging) specific term really exists for those who leverage AI heavily yet given it’s such a new medium other than like “AI artist” which specifies the medium a bit more specifically similar to “traditional artist” or “digital artist”, but these are just simplified just to “artist” in terms of tagging on Derpi at least.
“Creator” may be a fair compromise but I still feel like it’s a bit silly to downplay the artistry involved. As the OP said, this is an AI-specific site, so while a blind import of tags may be a bit confusing, in practice one would understand that the “artist” term on this site is contextually referring to AI artists specifically and transform the tags if needed to whatever convention exists on other sites (e.g. if importing from here to Derpi one would replace artist: with prompter: and add ai content or whatever as in theory that tag wouldn’t be needed here).
All that considered I think I still lean more towards “artist” than “creator”, but either is better than “prompter” which might as well be an insult in a place like this.

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Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 8

Nah. Artistry =\= prompting. Both creating art traditionally and by prompting are creative processes, but they’re different processes.

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Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 7

I’d tend more towards “creator” myself, as well, if we were going to change it from “prompter”. I’d prefer to keep the two distinct, because, for example, if I drew a picture of a pony, then generated the background behind them by ai, I would both be the artist and the creator. And if it was a collaboration, where someone else drew the character, I could tag them as the artist and myself as the creator.
I’d also suggest, since this is an ai site, that at least one of the ai tags be required when uploading, the same way that you are required to rate the picture as safe, questionable, or explicit.

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